08.08.2017

Beatrice Tourou: “Women and men are not the same, even if society is trying to make us believe we are”

Beatrice Tourou, a young female entrepreneur, shares her personal struggles and ideas from founding the tech startup Boulesse.
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BOULESSE.com is the online luxury marketplace where manufacturers with products of highest quality come together. From handcrafted shoes to high end furniture, Boulesse has it all. Beatrice Tourou saw an opportunity in the Viennese market, when she noticed the number of traditional luxury Viennese shops that people traveled across the world to come visit. In part due to their old heritage, most of these shops had not taken the plunge into the world of E-commerce due to fast changing technological developments. Thus, Tourou decided to bring these shops together onto one platform, and provide each shop with its unique and personalised E-Shop, and thereby also making their exquisite products available around the globe.

Where did the idea of Boulesse come from?

I used to work as a fashion editor at the Financial Times in Germany and spent quite some time dealing with topics such as lifestyle, and thus also came in contact with countless stores. This is where I learnt that a number of shops in Vienna didn’t have their own E-Shop. I approached some of them and asked why this was. At the time it was already 2014, the trend for most shops to go online had already started. Their response was that they didn’t have the resources for it, nor were they big enough to cope with the challenges. This led me to the idea of creating a platform, a so called online marketplace, that would enable to group all these shops together with their own E-Shop.

What were the key challenges when starting your own business?

The biggest challenge is of course finding enough funding to start, as well as keep the company going. Finding the right people to set up the team was also an unexpected challenge. It was also a struggle to get coders on board who were genuinely interested in E-Commerce, especially because of the startup trend waves. At the time, E-Comerce wasn’t as hot of a topic as it used to be. The hot topics having transitioned to VR (virtual reality) and fintech, which made it more difficult to find programmers that were willing to invest their time and energy into an E-Commerce platform. I sadly missed the time span where people were throwing money at E-Commerce, so maybe we were a bit late. However, for these shops we weren’t, as they were all still quite behind on the whole tech aspect of their business.

Do you think the company would have evolved differently had you founded it somewhere other than Vienna?

The thing is, there are no pros without cons, and no cons without pros. It was obviously cheaper and easier perhaps to win the Austrian market as they weren’t fully established online yet. For exactly that reason, Vienna works because of its lack in tech development, which in turn allowed us to take advantage and create the platform itself. However, we started with too little funding, and it probably could have been easier to raise more money in a more tech centered city. London for example.
It is a tricky question, and one I have asked myself before. The key is to adjust your business idea to the public that you are trying to address and involve.

 Would you be ready or wish to start another company?

No, definitely not. It takes a lot of strength, effort and power to start a business from scratch, and I think I used up all my power for this lifetime. For this type of a business you really have to pour all your heart and soul into it, work late and on the weekends. Physically you can do that for a couple of years, but then you start to feel the strength and energy diminishing. I don’t think I would be able to repeat everything I did and worked so hard for. Building a startup is different from a nine to six job, you have to devote all your spare time and extra energy into it. I have of course learnt a lot.
Trying for a second time would be easier however, due to all the experience I have gathered. For example, if I decided to create another business, I wouldn’t do anything where I needed to depend on investors. I would create something on my own. A business where things can grow slowly and steadily. In this case there would be less pressure for me to deliver as well as have the success of the other’s investment on my conscience.

Where did your strength and courage stem from to set up your own business?

I am quite a disciplined person. When I decide upon something, I put all my energy and will into pursuing it. Seeing as it wasn’t only my money involved but also the money of other people. I thus pushed myself to work a lot harder and use their funding to succeed. I took the fact very seriously that there were others involved and their money was at stake. This gives you an extra boost to take your work seriously and to push yourself just that bit more.

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When faced with your biggest challenge, how did you overcome it?

What you learn from leading this type of a business is that even if you are really scared, and you don’t want to face the struggles, you have to get through it either way. You have two choices, either you run away, and your business closes down the next day, or you face your anxieties and struggles. For me there were a number of unpleasant challenges I had to face. To which I quickly realised you really just have to suck it up, persevere and push forward. That is the thing about startups. It’s not easy facing the harsh reality of its making, but you need to get through it.

Now onto more controversial topics, do you think any aspects of your business might have differed had you been a male entrepreneur?

I probably would be more aggressive concerning the financial aspects of the company. I personally am a little bit more cautious when it comes to spending. However, I must say I am not a big fan of this whole gender separation topic. I think men and women have their separate advantages and disadvantages. In the end it comes down to how you play your cards. I have never felt that anyone has treated me differently in the business sector because I am a blonde woman, nor that someone didn’t take me seriously for that reason. Yes, I have been in situations where men have used harsh tones towards me, however they would have acted the same towards any other man.
It is true yes, looking at the Pioneers Festival for example, most of the people there are men. This may be because you usually begin to create your own business after you’ve had sufficient years of experience, after you have created a network of potential investors. This is most often when you are in your thirties. Around that time however, women begin to have children and decide to take a step back from their career line. During that time most women will be placing their energy in creating a family rather than pushing for the success of a business. Its is the woman that has the responsibility to carry the child, so it makes sense that they are the ones to take a step back when deciding what to do with their future career. I think this is one of the biggest explanations to why there are so few female founders / CEO’s.

What aspects, if any, of your business do you think might have differed had you been a male entrepreneur?

I don’t think there would be any striking differences. The only big difference is that now I am in my thirties and I am thinking of starting a family and will have to transition my energy into focusing on my children for the time being. A man does have that on his mind as he also has to sustain and support a family, but this only gives him even more of a boost to keep pushing his career forward. The group of women that wish to have children just have a different mind set than men do. It is a simple equation.
One has to take biology into account. The older a woman gets, the more difficult she has it to get pregnant. Of course stress and health are a large factor that contribute to being able to get pregnant sooner. Men don’t have this aspect to keep in mind, so naturally they have a larger chance of being able to place more energy into sustaining a business. It is also difficult for men not being able to carry around a child for nine months and develop the connection all mothers have. There are downsides for both men and women.

Do you think one gender has more of an advantage over the other?

Women and men are not the same, even if society is trying to make us believe that we are. I think that there are some qualities that women have which are more enhanced. For example, you may be more into building a team, making people cooperate, maybe be more intuitive about issues, or even more cautious. Men can be more into driving a team, getting a proper performance out of the members, as some say, they push the pedal to the metal. This is sometimes needed to really get a business going. So again there is nothing wrong or right about either of the two methods, it just depends on the business as well as the situation.

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vlnr.: Verena Handler-Kunze. Peter Buchroithner, David Pflügl und Thomas Schranz | (c) Waffle
vlnr.: Verena Handler-Kunze. Peter Buchroithner, David Pflügl und Thomas Schranz | (c) Waffle

Viele haben es versucht und nur die Allerwenigsten haben es geschafft: Ein neues soziales Medium zu etablieren ist wohl so etwas wie die Königsklasse im Startup-Bereich. Und das, obwohl das Lamento über die Riesen am Markt allgegenwärtig ist. Auch Peter Buchroithner, Thomas Schranz, David Pflügl und Verena Handler-Kunze sind mit dem bestehenden Angebot nicht zufrieden. Mit Rakun, das eine App für neurodivergente Menschen betreibt, haben die vier erst dieses Jahr ein neues Startup gegründet, wie brutkasten berichtete. Nun kommt mit Waffle ein weiteres dazu.

Waffle: “Back to the roots der sozialen Medien”

“Bei Waffle geht es sozusagen back to the roots der sozialen Medien. In den letzten Jahren habe ich das Gefühl, dass die Verbindung zu den Menschen, mit denen ich eigentlich Kontakt haben will, bei den gängigen Social-Media-Plattformen verloren gegangen ist. Facebook ist voller Werbung und Memes, auf Instagram sieht man Gelegentlich eine Hochzeit, aber es ist dominiert von Influencern, die dir etwas verkaufen wollen, und auf TikTok sind Leute, die tanzen und dich unterhalten”, sagt Peter Buchroithner im Gespräch mit brutkasten.

Auch auf Messaging-Apps wie WhatsApp und Telegram sei man zusehends mit Werbung konfrontiert und private und berufliche Kontakte würden sich mischen. “Jeder, der irgendwann einmal deine Nummer gehabt hat, kann dir einfach schreiben”, sagt Buchroithner. Das Team habe aber einen Ort schaffen wollen, wo man wirklich nur mit seinen besten Freund:innen kommuniziert.

Kein “Geschwafel” bei Waffle

Beziehungsweise “von ihnen hört”. Denn Waffle setzt auf Voice-Messages. “Man hat nicht immer Zeit, mit seinen Freunden zu telefonieren, aber es ist schön und man fühlt sich mehr verbunden, wenn man ihre Stimme hört. So sind wir auf das Thema Voicenotes gekommen”, sagt Buchroithner. Nicht nur im Namen setzt das Startup beim Social-Media-Trend “Wednesday Waffle” an, bei dem User:innen einer ausgewählten Gruppe an Leuten einmal in der Woche ein Update über sich geben.

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Wer bei der Kombination aus “Social” und “Audio” also an die ebenso schnell aufgestiegene wie untergegangene “Social-Audio-App” Clubhouse gedacht hat, kann beruhigt sein – das Konzept ist ein völlig anderes. Bei Waffle sind die Voice-Messages auf eine Minute beschränkt und User:innen sind dazu aufgefordert, dazu jeweils ein Bild hochzuladen. Maximal drei dieser Nachrichten können pro Tag gesendet werden, um “Geschwafel” zu verhindern, wie man es aus überlangen WhatsApp-Voice-Messages kennt. Und nach 24 Stunden verschwinden diese wieder von selbst.

Ungefilterte Kommunikation mit Filtern

Doch das ist nicht die einzige bewusste Einschränkung. Wer sich bei der App, die aktuell nur für iOS verfügbar ist, registriert, kann genau acht Kontakte auswählen, um seine Messages mit diesen zu teilen. Weil man auch von anderen Menschen ausgewählt werden kann, kann man dennoch in mehreren solchen Neun-Personen-Kreisen sein. “Es geht darum, nur den Leuten Updates zu geben, denen man wirklich alles erzählen kann. Es geht um ungefilterte Kommunikation”, so Peter Buchroithner.

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Wobei: Filter sind bei Waffle durchaus geplant, erzählt der Gründer. “So, wie man bei Snapchat Filter über Fotos und Videos legen kann, wird man das bei uns mit dem Ton machen können – also etwa mit Darth-Vader-Stimme sprechen.” Generell wolle man im Thema Voice noch “sehr, sehr vieles dazubauen”.

“Ich denke, das Produkt hat das Potenzial, dass es von 100 Millionen Menschen verwendet wird”

Neben der Produktentwicklung geht es in den kommenden Monaten aber natürlich vor allem auch darum, viele User:innen in die App zu bekommen. Eine Android-Version soll daher bald folgen und die Plattform Product Hunt soll für Aufmerksamkeit sorgen. Firmenseitig befindet sich Waffle gerade als GmbH in Wien in Gründung. “Und wir planen auch eine Investment-Runde”, verrät Buchroithner.

In Sachen Monetarisierung werde man, wie andere soziale Medien, auf Werbung setzen. “Das ist in diesem Fall natürlich ein sehr sensibles Thema. Die Leute werden bei Waffle wohl nicht so tolerant sein wie etwa auf Facebook. Wir werden also mit ausgewählten Marken über eine Zusammenarbeit sprechen”, räumt der Gründer ein. Das sei aber “aktuell nicht wirklich hoch in der Priorität”. Denn zuerst gelte es, viele User:innen zu bekommen. “Ich denke, das Produkt hat das Potenzial, dass es von 100 Millionen Menschen verwendet wird. Und wenn man sowas schafft, dann ist die Monetarisierung nie ein Problem.”

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